JONNY HETHERINGTON: You sure you don't mind if I eat while we do this?

TINA PEEK: No. Why, do I have a choice?

JH: No. [laughs]

TP: Art Of Dying has been touring fairly relentlessly since the release of your self-titled debut album in January of 2006. And here you are as part of Canadian Music Week in March of '08. How much longer do you anticipate touring?

JH: Hopefully, we'll be touring for the next two hundred and fifty days. We got a really nice phone call yesterday from an American band that are friends of ours and a fan of ours and they are throwing around the idea of taking us out with them in the States.

TP: Name?

BRIAN THOMPSON: Can't drop the name yet.

JH: Can't drop it today, maybe next week.

BT: I can tell you it's a big band, heavy band.

TP: Big name?

JH: Yeah, very big. [It has been confirmed that AOD will be out with Disturbed for an American tour.]

TP: Okay cool. Have there been any discussions about working on another album yet?

JH: Absolutely. We actually just finished our first song for the next record.

TP: Really. So you've been writing songs for the next album?

JH: Constantly writing.

TP: Do you?

JH: Yeah, constantly. Just everyday I try and write something.

TP: Can you write anywhere? Is there a specific place or time that you write best?

JH: Nope. You know we just opened for Skid Row in Edmonton, which was pretty fun. But, while I was loading gear into the venue, I wrote a song and finished it when I got home, later that day.

TP: So it doesn't matter, just wherever it strikes you.

JH: Totally. I'm from Alberta originally, so it was good to be back there and all these memories came flooding back of growing up there. I got pushed into a fire when I was a kid at school, because I had long hair and the jocks and the football guys were like, "Let's fuckin' push him in the fire man!!!" I didn't know about it, so I get thrown into this huge fire and I had to drop, tuck and roll and brush my hair out to make sure I wasn't on fire. But, yeah, it reminded me of the good old days.

TP: Oh that was the good old days, getting thrown into a fire?

JH: Getting thrown into fires. Or getting beaten up in the hallways...

TP: Were you beaten up a lot in school because you had long hair?

JH: Actually, I was pretty big so I didn't get beat up a lot. You know, it's just normal shit. You're in grade 10 and the grade 12 guys are like...we had this hallway called "The Gauntlet" that all the kids in grade 10 had to walk through to get to their class and the jocks and shit would just sit on the bench and they'd push the little ones around and they'd bounce off the walls and stuff. So at nine in the morning, you'd get pretty roughed up on your way to class.

TP: Really.

JH: That's small town Alberta baby!! Love it!!

TP: Who writes most of the songs?

JH: We're trying to write together, but it ends up I write most of the songs, because I'm the singer and I don't really feel comfortable singing other people's lyrics. Our rule in the band is: the best melody wins, the best idea wins, musically and all that stuff. And when it comes to melodies, I usually write them and then the lyrics I have to write, because the words to me are more important than anything, so I can't be singing something that I don't feel, deeply, so I end up writing stuff.

TP: Okay, that brings me to my next question. "Car Crash" is an introspective look at things that might go through a person’s mind when they're dying and it's a powerful message. When you write about that, where do those feelings come from?

JH: You know what's funny? And this may sound a little, shallow, but I actually got the idea for that song as I was watching The Sopranos, and Tony flipped his 4X4 and he was lying on the highway, not knowing if he was going to be dead or alive in ten minutes. That was a while ago, and it just put into my head the idea of, "Well what if that happened to me?" Who would I feel really fucking bad that I didn't say, "I love you" to today. Who would I feel really bad that I didn't apologize to for all the things that I did, you know what I mean? And a rush of emotions came, the simplest words that express that I didn't say I love you when I had the chance, and now it's my last breath and I'm going down. So it's just through that message of...well that's like Art Of Dying, the name of the band, it's the same message as in the song, it's like, live your life like everyday is your last. It's kind of cliche to say it, but...

TP: And do you live your life like that?

JH: Hell yeah! Absolutely.

TP: Do you?

JH: Yeah, absolutely.

TP: You never take it for granted, you don't ever?

JH: Well everyone has their day-to-day bullshit that they have to deal with, but I really love the people that I love, deeply and I really have amazing friends, and I'm on this ride with music that's unbelievable. I embrace the moment, I try to, and sometimes it gets a little crazy and sometimes it gets a little...well, I haven't been put in jail yet.

TP: Yet being the key word! [Jonny starts laughing]

JH: But it can get a little crazy. I mean now our budgeting on our tour is for repairs to hotel rooms that we didn't use to have to budget for.

TP: Really? Are you guys trashing hotel rooms?

JH: We're not trashing them, we just.--we just get a little--we embrace the moment. Sometimes we happen to be partying a little hard and you know...it's funny, because, we were just in this little hotel, in the middle of nowhere, in the mountains and we couldn't drive anymore because of the fricken snow. So we stopped at this little hotel and bring out the poker chips, grab some cigars and we had all this food left over from a show the night before, so we're just drinking Crown [Royal] and Vodka straight out of the bottles and just hanging out, right, like guys do. And I lost at a poker hand and I had a really nice Stella glass that we just got, that we sweet-talked a girl at the liquor store to give us these Stella glasses, because we're in a shitty hotel room and we've got these plastic cups. So I lost at the poker hand and I just finished my last drink of beer and I just threw my glass at the wall. And it was a brick wall, so no big deal, we're celebrating. It's like you have a nice glass of champagne and you throw the glass and break it and whatever. But then, five to ten bottles later, our aim got a little bad and we broke the window and missed the wall.

BT: And threw a bottle through a window.

JH: We were feeling really bad about it, but at the same time, we're nice guys, so we cleaned it up to the best of our ability, and I got glass in my eye which was pretty cool. [I'm laughing at this point] Karma's a bitch, eh? [laughs] Karma's a fucking bitch!

TP: You're an idiot. [we both laugh]

JH: Yeah. It was pretty funny. [laughs] I took the glass out of my eye.

TP: I've already seen you walk into a counter and walk into a wall, so nothing really surprises me now.

JH: [laughs] I can't believe I did that!

TP: Who were your music idols growing up?

JH: Everything that happened in the grunge era, Pearl Jam, Alice In Chains, Nirvana, Soundgarden. Anything that Maynard's been involved in, Tool, Perfect Circle, all those bands, Faith No More. Anything that Mike Patton's been involved in. There's some vocalists out there that sing from the heart and you feel it, and Eddie Vedder and Maynard and Mike Patton and guys like that, there's no denying it, you watch them and you go, "Holy fuck. They mean that!!" They are not acting, you know what I mean?

TP: Yup.

JH: And that's been my goal all my life, is to get a connection with someone through singing something to them that means something to me, and hopefully it means something to them, and we have this cosmic, hippie thing going on. [we both laugh]

TP: If you could play with any band, dead or alive, who would it be?

JH: Dead or alive?

TP: Yup

JH: I think it would be Pearl Jam.

TP: Really?

JH: Yup. They seem to have a lot of fun on stage; they seem to have a lot of fun as people. I think we share a lot of common interests like sex, drinking and surfing and stuff like that. The Pearl Jam shows that I've seen, it just seems like a family on stage, that has grown together and there's so much emotion and angst in what they're doing, but it seems to me there's a positive message from it all, like, every Pearl Jam show I go to, my jaw drops and I go home feeling pretty good. The last show I saw of theirs’, there were no lights, there was nothing, and they bring it into your living room, you know what I mean? It's just awesome!

TP: Art Of Dying seems to have had some success crossing over in the States. Do you find it's harder for Canadian bands to break into the American market?

JH: Hmm, I don't know. It's weird because we set out, when we started this band, we set out to only go for an American release. And we knew that was the right thing to do, and so we got American management and we got visa's to go work down there and we started touring and getting radio in the United States and we came close to a release. And then it got shady and we backed off from it and BOOM!, next thing you know, we released our album in England, which we weren't even thinking about, until we had an opportunity. We got it from buddies who played the Download Festival, which was Tool, Metallica, Guns n' Roses, Deftones, unbelievable. We had to do it. It cost us ten grand to go. We didn't have any money. We borrowed some money. We begged, borrowed and stole, to get there. And then we got offered the Seether tour. And we thought, "Well, what are we gonna do here? Well, we're going to lose forty grand. We're going to have the time of our life and maybe we're gonna..."

TP: Pick up some fans along the way.

JH: And you know what? English people are fucking NUTS for music!! They're crazy!!

TP: It's like that in Japan too. The Japanese are like that, really crazy for...

BT: Oh they're crazy for rock.

TP: Oh yeah, they're insane!

JH: I can't WAIT to go to Japan!! So the club doors open at seven, nobody goes for a drink, they just BOLT straight to the stage and everyone waits there!

TP: This is in England?

JH: In England! And we're the opening band from Canada, that no one's ever heard of, and they're ALL at the front and they're going NUTS!! And we love that. That emotion. It's like whoosh, our shows are like POW!

TP: It pumps ya right up.

JH: Yeah! So the point being, we planned to put our album out in the States, it didn't happen. We didn't plan on putting it out in England, and it did happen. And now we just released in Canada, which is great, totally fun. We're touring Canada non-stop right now. But I don't think it's easier or harder. I think it's where you've--if something comes up, you gotta follow it. United Kingdom? Go. If someone from Germany called me and said, "We want to put you on out here. We have a few dollars to support it. We're going to do it right." I'd go out today, see what happens.

TP: And you'll do whatever it takes, to get the band out there.

JH: Absolutely. We've already discussed moving to the United States this year. We're close to an American release. We're close to a lot of stuff. We know the American people, in general, from MySpace and Facebook, and all the people we talk to and everything. We know they like this music. and we know that we like them, as people and fans. So, it just makes sense. We just might have to spend a year or two down south.

TP: Did you always know that this was what you wanted to do?

JH: Yes! First I wanted to be a farmer.

TP: How old were you?

JH: I was four.

TP: And you wanted to be a farmer? Do you remember why?

JH: Because I really like animals.

TP: Aww

JH: Yeah, I was like, "I wanna be a farmer." And then I went to visit my family in Ontario and I think I was around five or something? And I was so excited to be there! "A FARM, they own a farm. It's a farm!!! Let's go see the cows! And what's that big salt lick thing? And oh my God!!" And I ran outside, and fell straight in a pile of shit! Like face down, right in shit. [we laugh] And then I was like, "Hmm, I don't know if I wanna be a farmer. It's a lot of work and it kinda stinks." And now I'm in rock, and it's a lot of work, but it's kinda' fun.

TP: So pretty much from a young age, you wanted to be a singer and knew this was what you wanted to do?

JH: Yeah. I used to sing for my gym class. Like when our teacher was late, everyone would be waiting on the bleachers and bored out of their minds, so I'd just start singing songs I'd heard on the radio and entertaining everyone.

TP: And what was their reaction? You weren't shy?

JH: Pffffffft. [makes blowing sound with lips]

TP: Not at all.

JH: No.

TP: Yeah, you don't seem like a shy person [Jonny laughs] Okay, what's the best part of touring?

JH: Best part of touring is the moment on stage when, like if it's a great night with a great crowd and you feel that circle of emotion going back in that cycle. When you feel it charge in. That's it.

TP: What's the worst part?

JH: Worst part of touring, in Canada, is the driving.

TP: In Canada it's the driving?

JH: If you can tour in Canada, you can tour in any country in the world. It's ridiculous.

TP: Really.

JH: We drove from Regina [Saskatchewan] to Grand Prairie [Alberta], right after a show. So you've done your show, you sign some autographs, you have a beer, you load up the trailer and go. You drive fifteen hours straight, your trailer falls off and you almost lose all your gear right outside the next destination, and you're five minutes late for sound check. It's ridiculous.

TP: Who drives?

JH: Brian was driving that day. And we have a friend of mine who drives a lot, but it's tough you know, because the more people you bring on the road, the more expensive the touring becomes. To kind of split up the duties, Greg drives a lot, I don't drive, because obviously, I don't have the personality to get behind the wheel.

TP: Do you have a license?

JH: Oh yeah

TP: You do, but you don't drive.

JH: I don't drive.

TP: At all.

JH: That's a lie. I used to. Not good. It doesn't work with me very well.

TP: Why, what's the problem?

BT: He's too frantic behind the wheel.

TP: You're frantic behind the wheel??

JH: And I get really pissed off at other drivers.

BT: He's got road rage

JH: Road rage. Pretty much anything.

BT: He's got a heavy foot.

JH: Yeah, heavy foot. I'm not a good driver. I don't trust my mirrors, I have to see something, like I have to look and see it [Mimics checking and looking around inside a car] Mirrors to me are like, no way. Get rid of that invention, cause they don't even belong on there. [We're laughing] Plus that means I can usually have a couple of beers during the day.

TP: Finish this sentence: If I wasn't in a band, I would be...

JH: In a psycho ward. Most definitely.

TP: There's nothing else you think you'd want to do if you weren't in a band?

JH: Ah, no.

TP: Really.

JH: Yeah. I couldn't envision life without this band.

TP: Being Canadian, I have to think you're a hockey fan, who's your...

JH: Yup. Oilers!

TP: Are you from Edmonton originally?

JH: I grew up just outside of Edmonton, so I saw a lot of the Oiler games. Yeah, best team in the world.

TP: I'm a huge Leafs fan...

JH: Cool. I hear they have a few of those out here.

TP: Yeah, they have quite a few, but they have fans all over. They have a huge fan base, so you'd think they could get a team that...

JH: Doesn't look like Edmonton, or Toronto, are gettin' in the playoffs.

TP: I'm still hoping they'll make it in. So what do you enjoy doing in your spare time, if you have any time to yourself these days?

JH: I would like to paint, because I used to paint and now I don't have any spare time, so I don't paint.

TP: What do you paint?

JH: I go into alleys and I find big pieces of wood, like doors and shit, because doors are light because they're hollow on the inside and then I take the handles off, go buy some canvas, stick the canvas to the back of the door and make like this huge canvas frame.

TP: Do you paint with oils?

JH: No, I paint with acrylics and just go nuts!

TP: So what do you like painting?

JH: It's usually just abstract shit. I love drips, dripping?

TP: Yup.

JH: I pour some paint on and then move the canvas, so it drips in certain ways and stuff. I love painting and if I had more time...

TP: Do you draw at all? Like, could you sit out in a field and say, paint that farm you used to love?

JH: I can't draw, but I can draw a railroad track going like this [shows me what he means-not really translatable]

TP: I was on your MySpace site recently and was amused with what looks like a regular "series" of sorts, referred to as "Cooking With Jonny". I loved it and thought it was hilarious!! Who's idea was that?

JH: You know what? It was mine. [I start laughing]

TP: It was fucking hilarious.[I'm still laughing]

JH: You liked that, eh? [laughs] Because I called Brian and I was like, "Should I post this? Are people gonna think I'm a fuckin' retard?"

TP: You know what, you're so natural, I mean, honestly. I'm on your MySpace and I see your blog and I'm trying to find out more about you and the band and I see this cooking thing and I'm thinking, "Okay, what's this?" So I go in and I see it's a video [at this point I start laughing] and I click on the video and the first one I saw was the salmon one and I'm thinking "Are you kidding me? This is hilarious!" [I start laughing again] And then I watched the steak one [at this point I'm wondering if Jonny and Brian can still understand me, because I'm laughing so hard], and I see you go out the door.

JH: [laughing] The fire??

[The three of us are laughing our asses off at this point and I'm almost on the floor, because it was the funniest thing I'd seen in a while!]

TP: The fire!! I fucking near died!! [We're laughing so hard, that people walking by are wondering what the hell is going on] And you said, "Oh, my steak!" And there's windows there and you left the door open and I see this huge flame shoot up and it's dark out.

JH: I think you can hear this "Holy SHIT!!" [I can't stop laughing]

TP: But you know what?? When you came back in, you were totally recovered, like nothing happened. You're like, "Wow, my steak turned out really good!" And you showed it and it actually did look good!

JH: Oh yeah it was good, it was awesome!!

TP: Oh my God, but that fucking flame, I thought it was hilarious.

JH: Well you know, I called Brian, because I wasn't going to post those.

TP: Oh, I think they're great.

JH: I'm in a band called Art Of Dying, and we're heavy. People are gonna think--like people think we're fucking dark and depressed and we look at our shoes a lot and stuff, but here I am cooking salmon, so I don't know. I don't know if it works, I don't even care.

BT: It was pretty funny.

TP: Well, I thought it was funny, and you're really natural and I think if anything, the girls will probably love it.

JH: I actually got a message the other day saying, "Are you cooking tomorrow?" from this girl on MySpace.

TP: So there ya' go, see? That says it all. So do you like cooking?

JH: I love cooking!

TP: Do you? Where did you learn how to cook, did you watch mom do it, or was it a survival skill that you picked up?

JH: Pretty much a survival skill.

TP: Really?

JH: Well in high school I picked my classes really well, so that in the last part of grade 11 and grade 12, I didn't have any classes in the afternoon and so I got a job at this catering plant.

TP: [Jonny is fiddling with a leaf on his head] You know what? It's getting really hard to even look at you, [He's sitting underneath a fake tree] because there's a branch sitting on your head.

JH: And I just said, "Catering plant" and I don't know why I just said that. There's no such thing as a catering plant. [laughs]

TP: The whole time you're talking, you're fiddling with that leaf, and I'm focusing on it. Nevermind, go on. [laughter]

JH: So I worked for a caterer, and there was this place in my hometown and all my friends and my brother and everyone basically worked for this catering company. We all just hung out there and cooked food and learned about desserts, and I learned a lot about cooking, to the point where, when I got out of high school, I got a job cooking in a kitchen. And I was like, "What am I going to do about it?" I guess I'm gonna' cook, so I can afford to buy some beers and move out of my parents place and play in a band! And that's when I kind of went, after two years of that, I was like "Holy shit, what if I was doing this in a place like Vancouver?" And I love that city, you know what I mean? Instead of Red Deer, Alberta. And I was like, "What if I could do something in Vancouver?" I can cook, buy some beer, play in a band. This would be cool.

TP: A perfect life.

JH: Yeah and now here we are.

TP: Well, it made me wonder because that steak, you even made a salad with it, a Caesar salad, although you did chintz out with the dressing. It was store bought. But you know what? I was impressed. I have to say, totally impressed. That's why I wanted to bring it up. And of course the flame just killed me. I watched it twice because of that.

JH: And no editing in that either by the way. This is all straight, number one shots.

TP: And no one even said anything about the flame, so it made me wonder how many people actually even clued in, and you came back in like nothing happened.

JH: Because I'm a professional. [we both laugh]

TP: Favourite song to play live and why?

JH: I really like playing "You Don't Know Me" because it's just, aggressive and it feels good ya know? It wakes people up, and it's a good ice-breaker. We're playing that tonight, second in our set, and it's just...I love it. Totally down with that. [starts playing air guitar and singing the opening guitar riff out loud]

TP: I love that song, I really do. Okay, worst habit?

JH: Wost habit. Holyyyy. Brian, help me out here.

BT: Being annoying.

JH: Being annoying. Whenever I make new friends, I say, "You better be careful, because I'm going to annoy the FUCK out of you!" I remember in school, growing up, I lost friends, because I just got too annoying.

TP: Annoying how? What would you do to be annoying?

JH: Just what I'm doing now, but all the time. Non-stop.

TP: But I don't think you're being annoying.

JH: Imagine this like, every day.

TP: Are you a romantic?

JH: I'm totally romantic.

TP: Are you?

JH: Yup.

TP: Like an old fashioned romantic, or how so?

JH: I'm a romantic in every aspect of, like when I watch a movie or when I--I guess I feel things. And I'm okay with that.

TP: You're in touch with your feelings.

JH: I'm in touch with my feelings. [we laugh]

TP: Describe your perfect day. What's a perfect day for you?

JH: A perfect day would be waking up, walking out of my front door onto the beach, going to surf for a little bit, coming back, cooking breakfast, heading to the studio, which is probably in the same building, writing a song and getting it down on tape, coming back, go shop for some wine, get some beers, some good stuff, cook a nice dinner and maybe sing around a campfire or something and hang out, on the beach.

TP: So what is the reality of your day?

JH: The reality of my day is that I sit in front of a computer a LOT.

TP: Do you look after your own MySpace or who does?

JH: Yep.

TP: You do mostly?

JH: We do it all internal, all in-house and we run a record label together.

TP: Well then, I'm going to kick you when the interview is over.

JH: Uh oh.

TP: Because I'd been waiting for an add for over a fucking week and you refused to add me, so I cancelled my request.

JH: You CANCELLED YOUR REQUEST??? [he seems shocked that I did that]

TP: Yeah I did. I cancelled my request.

JH: Yeaaaah, why?

TP: Because I waited for a week and a half and I could see that you guys were on-line, but you wouldn't add me, so...

JH: Well I don't do that part of it.

TP: I thought you just said that you look after the MySpace?

JH: Well I don't do the add thing, I don't do the adding! I do the mail and Greg does the comments. We do get backlogged though. I think we had like 29 pages of add requests a week ago.

BT: And we don't auto-accept, like every add. We make sure we leave a personal comment, to thank everyone.

JH: Yeah, you have to add us again. I know we get a little backlogged, and so I think we're going to have to work out something, do something about that. And that's the problem with touring, you get backlogged and you don't always have Internet access, ya' know what I mean?

TP: Yeah, I totally understand that.

JH: And if I don't have Internet per day, I'm not right. I'm addicted, it's a need.

TP: I'm the same way, it gets so that your whole life it seems is wrapped up in MySpace and Facebook, You guys have Facebook as well, right?

JH: Yeah.

TP: Okay, in one word, describe each of your band mates, starting with...

JH: Oh no [laughs]

TP: Greg.

JH: Responsible.

TP: Matt

JH: One better.

TP: What?

JH: One better.

TP: That's one word?

JH: Yeah. Hyphenated. [laughs]

TP: One-better.

JH: No! One-louder, sorry. One-louder.

TP: Jeff

JH: Solid, solid. [starts laughing] Oops sorry, did that come out twice?

TP: Why do you keep using two? I didn't say "Describe in two words", I said one. [we're laughing]

JH: Solid.

TP: Niz

JH: Distracted

TP: What do you guys do to chill out while on the road?

JH: There are a lot of low end drugs and alcohol consumed.

TP: [laughing] Low end drugs?

JH: Low end, nothing high end. Like we actually worked out in a little gym this morning and I woke up and I'm like, "I can't fuckin' work out if I don't have a coffee." And Niz will say, "I have to smoke a joint, because if I don't smoke a joint, I can't work out." And that kind of gives you a little insight into what we do. There's a lot of low end drugs. [laughs]

TP: What has been the brightest moment for you as a musician?

JH: Well, up until a few weeks ago, I would say, when we went on tour with Seether. The whole tour was amazing, but Shaun invited me out on stage to do an Alice In Chains cover, and we sang together at the end of half the shows. They were sold out, like the London Astoria, probably one of the most classic venues in the whole world, playing with my band and then being able to do this song, a tribute to a band that I absolutely love, Alice In Chains. A tribute to Lane Stanley who's dead, singing with Shaun Morgan and those guys, who have embraced our band, which they didn't have to, and it was just a perfect moment. So that was probably the brightest, until three weeks ago, when we recorded a new song, and we kind of returned the favour I guess, and we asked Shaun to sing with us on our new song. And I was freaked out about it because we only had a little bit of time and the stars aligned basically, and when the stars aligned and he started singing his parts for that track, it was like, the brightest moment, like, "Holy shit, we made it work and he's doing this for us."

TP: That's amazing.

JH: Yeah, so we're pretty pumped about it, pretty excited.

TP: I love Seether and actually saw them when they opened for Three Days Grace here and they blew me away.

BT: Actually, that's when we recorded it. They were here for two shows and stayed for three days and he did some vocals for us, and we recorded it.

JH: And that's probably going to be the first single off our next record. It should be cool.

TP: That's excellent! Okay, what goals does the band have for the future, where do you see yourselves in say, five years?

JH: Well, we wanna do a U.S. release this year. We want to tour the U.S. this year. Somehow, we've established some really cool relationships with bigger bands out there, and I really don't know how that's happened, except by just plugging away and finishing our music and having people hear it and call us up and say, "I really like your band and anything I can do for you guys, I'll try." And it's like, "Well thanks, Mr. awesome musician guy!!" [laughs] And that seems to be happening more and more and I think one of my personal goals would be to just embrace those relationships and go like, crazy, you know?

TP: Cool. And you've got some incredibly dedicated fans, is there anything you'd like to say to them today or anything you'd like to add that I haven't ask you?

JH: You know, you hear this and it's cliche, but the fans are EVERYTHING in this business. And it's like I said, the most amazing feeling to me, in this whole world, is just having that relationship of the circuit being, what do ya' call it, in electricity when it's closed, open, I dunno, whichever one. You know, I remember from, high school, learning classes. [we all start laughing]

BT: High school, learning classes. [laughing]

JH: I don't know

TP: What the hell is he talking about, do you know? [Brian and I are laughing]

JH: You know the electricity? You know, when it can't flow?

TP: Oh, like it's not a conduit anymore, it's like a broken...

JH: Yes, big words like conduit. [we break out laughing] So when you close the circuit, that's when it flows, and to me, I always picture that in a circle.

TP: [I look at Brian] What was the question?

BT: I don't even know, I have no idea where he's going with that. [we break out laughing]

JH: [laughing] Well, I feel that the relationship between the fan and the writer, is that circuit closing, and when I feel it's closed, that's the best, ya' know? So any fan that comes to a show and helps us close that circuit, I thank them for that, because they're doing me a huge favour.

TP: Okay, cool. Well, that's it guys! Thank you so much!

JH: Cool. Thank you, it was nice meeting you.

TP: It was nice meeting you, too.