When Steve "LIPS" Kudlow and Robb "Robbo" Reiner met in high school, they knew that they wanted to bring a classic metal sound to the masses and in the process, not only became the forefathers of metal and thrash metal, but brought elements of their music in the metal world that are still used to this day. With albums such as Metal On Metal, Hard 'N' Heavy and Forged In Fire; Anthrax, Motorhead, Slash, Metallica, and Slayer all boast Anvil's importance on influencing their sound and styles. In the mid-‘80s, the group toured with Motorhead in the U.K. and at the Super Rock festival series—a massive Japanese festival circuit with the Michael Schenker Group, Scorpions, Whitesnake and Bon Jovi. And while they influenced a musical generation, including the aforementioned bands, all of whom went on to sell millions of records, Anvil’s career would take a different path and they simply slipped into obscurity.

Holding no bitterness in their struggle to find fame, they have come full circle and the world is finally recognizing the talents of one of the hardest working metal bands today. With a chance re-uniting of an old friend, famed producer Sacha Gervasi, who was so touched by Anvil’s tenacity in staying the course, a band he loved and followed relentlessly as a teenager, he decided to make a movie about it. ANVIL! The Story Of Anvil heralds Lips and Robb’s long and winding road of struggles, horrific management, bad choices, struggling with menial jobs and all the while trying to rock their brains out whenever and wherever they could. The movie has finally brought some fame, if not fortune, to a band that some in the world of metal and rock, had all but forgotten. With the movie has also come a book, all of it told in the words of Lips and his life-long pal Robbo, and just as in the movie they take you back on a journey with more than a few unbelievable and heart-wrenching moments. The movie will hit you right in the gut and will bring tears to the eyes of anyone who has ever had to struggle to find their way.

Spinal Tap? Hardly. This band and their story are just too real and too touching to be categorized with the 1984 rockumentory/mockumentary film This Is Spinal Tap, which was based on fictional characters and fictional scenarios. These guys are real, their work ethic real, and this is the true story of two brothers in metal who have now, finally, taken the world by storm. As Robbo told me during the interview, " It’s been so surreal, they all engage and freak out. I’ve been calling it Beatle-Metal-Mania.”

Beatle Metal Mania - Anvil Style. I love it.

TINA PEEK: Hi Robbo, how are you?

ROBB REINER: Doin’ good there sister T…so what would you like to talk about, the movie, the Anvil band or what do you want to talk about?

TP: Well I’d like to talk to you about about everything! I want to talk to you about the band, I want to talk about the book, the movie, your friendship with Lips, just touch on everything!

RR: Okay, so ask me questions and I’ll see if I like them.

TP: [laughing] Okay, well the first thing I’d like to do is congratulate you on your induction into the 9th annual Indie Hall of Fame this past March 14th.

RR: Okay well that’s very cool.

TP: It’s a long time coming for Anvil and I wondered how you guys felt about that induction?

RR: Well myself, I’m pretty blown away that Canada is actually giving us recognition after all the hard work we’ve done. It’s amazing that they’re recognizing us and I’m pretty blown away by it myself. That’s all I can really say. It’s a cool thing. I’m sure probably the worldwide recognition that’s going on has probably fuelled it, who knows, but it’s a great thing. I’m all for it man, let’s….just give me the award. [we laugh]

TP: Yeah, no kidding. You guys have been referred to as the fathers of power metal and the grandfathers of thrash metal and to me, it is probably a great analogy of the sum of who Anvil is. And I think that through the course of your years together as a band, you’ve never changed your musical style, regardless of what the critics may have said, you never followed trends, you always did what you did best, which was consistency. Would you agree with that statement?

RR: Absolutely, there’s no question about it. I think we’ve written a whole new book on that whole concept and notion. We are Anvil and we always will be Anvil, we only know how to be ourselves, ya’ know? We’d dabbled, years ago, with little things of maybe contemporary styles of metal, but it was never really what we were about. Yeah, you’re right, we’ve stayed true to ourselves pretty well throughout and right now we’re more focused musically I’d say, then in our whole entire musical career.

TP: Really, and why do you say that?

RR: Well our most recent album This Is Thirteen is basically as classic Anvil as Anvil has ever been and our new album Juggernaut Of Justice that we’re going to be doing soon, it’s the same thing. You know, we are Anvil and we were founded in it’s true form, classic and everybody’s embracing it, and I think it’s fucking mind-blowing actually from people that have been hearing it. Yup, we’re true to ourselves there Tina.

TP: I haven’t heard your latest album yet, but I intend on purchasing it.

RR: Well you should be playing some songs on your radio station there.

TP: No worries, I’ll be doing that as well. [I hear Robbo inhaling what I thought was a cigarette] Oh, you’re having a cigarette. I can hear you exhaling! [Laughing]

RR: Well you know what, you’re absolutely wrong, I’m having a blast of some nice Blueberry green in my bowl.

TP: Some what?

RR: I’m smoking green baby.

TP: I know you were smoking though, I could tell…

RR: Yeah I don’t drink alcohol or do tobacco.

TP: Oh so just the weed.

RR: Yeah I don’t even do coffee.

TP: I don’t either, I do tea.

RR: There ya’ go.

TP: One of the things I wanted to talk to you about is Sacha Gervasi, he made the documentary on Anvil, but he was also a roadie at one time for the band and obviously was a huge fan, and I even heard he played on stage with the band at one point? (I hear your phone ringing.)

RR: Yeah and it doesn’t stop.

TP: Did you want to get that or no?

RR: No, no, I’m talking to you.

TP: Okay cool.

RR: So yeah, Sacha Gervasi, do you want me to tell you the whole story?

TP: That’s entirely up to you, I think it’s really quite interesting .

RR: Okay well Sacha, you’re right, he’s a complete die-hard, one hundred percent fan, and this is am example of a fan, helping the band, helping his friends. A true fan of the band’s music, and musicians, and what it stands for. That’s why all this has happened for us, you know what I mean?

TP: Right.

RR: I met Sacha when he was 15 years old in 1982 at the Marquee Club when we were playing there. And he was just a little kid when he came up to me all freaking out because I was his drum idol and all this kind of stuff, and a he befriended me and I immediately liked the kid and I thought, “This kid is so cool.” And he was different, he was special and I could tell he was not just a moron type of a typical human, whatever, I don’t know how to fully describe it, but there was something about him man, and he befriended me and we became buddies. We hung out and he came out on the road with us. He started setting up my drums for me and then cut to much years, he disappeared—after about 7 years he disappeared, and me and Lips for years and years went on wondering what the hell ever happened to T-bag? We use to call him T-bag and in 2005 we get an e-mail from him, and I couldn’t believe it, Lips got the email and phones me and goes, “T-bag just e-mailed me man.” And I couldn’t believe it. And he says, “Yeah he lives in Hollywood and he’s a big screen writer now.” I couldn’t believe it. I’m like “Holy shit man. That’s amazing. You know that little shit man, he did the hole gamut you know?” And then what happened was, he invited Lips down to meet him, just to hang out because he hadn’t seen us in so many years. I was unable to go at the time, so Lips went, and then it was like no time had passed between them, between all of us, you know? I spoke with him on the phone quite a bit in that period of time, and Sacha was hanging out with his friends Steve Zaillian who wrote Schindler's List, and they were just blown away that Anvil stayed true to our music. We kept rocking, we had our die-hard fans, and we kept the integrity 1000% pure, and we were still looking to be discovered. And Steve Zaillian told Sacha, “Hey man, there’s a story here and you should maybe tell it.” And on that advice, Lips came home and Sacha flew up here two weeks later and told us he wants to make a movie about our lives. And that’s pretty well the straight up story of what happened.

TP: Wow. And because of that chance email and the chance meeting and re-establishing a friendship, this movie came about and now all of the sudden you guys are blowing up! I mean, you’re probably more popular now, than you’ve ever been in the past 30 years.

RR: You’re absolutely right. As people are saying, “You’re being discovered and re-discovered.” [laughs]

TP: Yeah ain’t that the truth!

RR: Yeah, what can I say? The story is mind blowing and everybody—I don’t know how to speak about what it is…it’s a very powerful story about believing in yourself, never giving up on your identity and no matter what, if the world is disinterested, it don’t matter, we just keep rockin and that’s all we did, have ever done, and kept the music one hundred percent pure and honest.

TP: Right, I would agree with that…

RR: And the story is being told now and everybody is embracing it and engaging it beyond all our expectations. Like this is going crazy, so it’s all a good thing.

TP: Yeah. Apparently it was a hit at Sundance…people walked away crying and I have to say, I saw the clips and I got teary eyed just from watching the clips for Christ’s sake.

RR: Oh yeah, well it’s a very emotional movie. And from the spin that’s put on it, well I call it a spin because that’s exactly what a lot of it is, you know, it’s not 1000% accurate spin. And they compare it to Spinal Tap. Well you know, it’s really not like Spinal Tap.

TP: Well no, because this is based on truth, based on real life.

RR: Right, you got it. It’s a real life thing and yeah sure, we’re funny guys and there’s some funny stuff, but the movie is a very, very emotional journey about two guys, two people who love each other and love what they do and believe that by everything that we’ve done that one day the world will recognize the majesty of Anvil.

TP: And do you feel this movie is doing that?

RR: Absolutely. It’s beyond, it’s like I just said, it was a movie that was played out in England and it was a smash hit. We did three weeks there and we beat Metallica’s movie at the box office, so I think that’s pretty good.

TP: And Keeanu Reeves even flew in from L.A. at his own expense to attend the screening…

RR: Oh yeah, oh yeah.

TP: And he’s a huge fan of the band and introduced the film.

RR: Keanu’s a huge fan of the band.

TP: Right, a huge fan and he introduced the film at the London Film Festival before the screening.

RR: You’re absolutely right, that did all happen and he’s actually going to be hosting the L.A. premiere of the movie on April 7th. We’re playing the movie and showing the band live at the Egyptian Theatre and Keeanu’s hosting the whole event.

TP: That’s pretty amazing.

RR: Yeah, until I met him, I didn’t realize that he loved our band so much but you know, for years and years a lot of real rockers and people—Anvil is one of those bands and always has been, all the friends, the big stars have always been transparent to us about how much they love the group and how much they respect us and how we innovated things and did this and that and we’ve heard it for years, and that’s all flattering and nice and nice to know.

TP: I’ve even heard that Metallica, Slayer and Pantera have referred to Forged In Fire, your 1983 release, as one of their most inspirational albums.

RR: Yeah, well, they’re telling you the truth. For us it’s all nice you know, because me and Lips we just get stoned and we love what we do, make great music and it’s all about just having fun. And when we’re having fun with our music, that’s when we know we’re doing something good. [laughs] You know what I mean?

TP: Yup, exactly.

RR: People pick up on it, and it’s really cool ya know?

TP: Right. Do you find it’s a little bittersweet though, Robbo?

RR: I’m not a bitter person, I’m too humble for that. Bittersweet? Listen, we worked hard, so we deserve what we’re getting right?

TP: Oh I can’t agree with you more, but it just seems to be such a long time coming and I’m just wondering now…

RR: Yeah, but I mean, that’s the way it goes ya’ know? It’s all good, I’m still alive, Lips is still alive, and the band, we’re better than we’ve been in thirty years right now. It’s unbelievable the level of energy and talent in the group. It’s insurmountable and you can’t even describe it.

TP: You and Lips have been friends since you were teenagers and you were in high school together. How have you guys been able to maintain such an intensely close friendship, almost like brothers, like a brotherly friendship?

RR: Yeah Lips and I, yeah, we are brothers. We’re brothers in metal.

TP: But to be friends with someone that long Robbo, it’s been thirty plus years, what are the secrets to keeping such a long-term friendship going?

RR: [long pause] Wow, I don’t really know…we have the same goals, we aspire to the same things, we both want the same things in all the shit that we do, ya’ know? You want yourself to have a good family life, you want yourself to like the same kind of music that we’re doing and we want to enjoy all the same things that life has to offer—fuck, I don’t really know. We’re just very in-sync. We just share a lot of the same common things that work for us. Yeah, sure, we butt heads once in a while, just like anybody does, but we’re really, really good buddies and we’re brothers without the blood.

TP: To me it’s a story in itself, just the friendship between the two of you.

RR: Yeah. You know, if you read the book, the book is incredible.

TP: Are you going to have a merch table set up when you play?

RR: Yeah we will. You can get t-shirts from me, if you email me, I send them out. The latest CD you can buy that off Paypal, off the movie site. All the merch is done in-house right now, but we have some commercial companies coming onboard.

TP: That’s good.

RR: If you want to ask me what the movie’s done, it’s opened doors to everything. We have real management now, we have Slayer’s management, it’s top level, professional management, it’s the real deal. We have a real agent and we’re just trying to figure out what to do with the record because we’ve had all kinds of record offers and business is so different these days from the years and days gone by. But it’s all good. We’re playing the Download Festival, we’re doing a whole tour of the U.K., we’re going to Japan, we’re going to Australia. The world is discovering Anvil man, it’s amazing.

TP: I know, it’s amazing, thirty years after it’s inception. I noticed there was a petition on your website for people to sign, which I already did, to have you play at the Glastonbury Festival 2009 in Pilton England this June and it’s a four day Festival...

RR: Yeah, they’ll probably announce it in May or something, but I have no idea. I mean, we were speaking to Emily who actually runs the Festival and she said, “See ya’ in June.” So I don’t know what that meant. It’s a high likelihood that we’re gonna play there and show the movie, they’re very interested in doing that apparently. But we’re playing Download, that’s confirmed and that’s with Motley Crue, Def Leppard, White Snake, Korn and a bunch of bands and we’re doing a little seven/eight day tour as well. At Download we’re actually headlining the third stage, so for us that’s huge.

TP: Clearly Anvil are one of the forefathers of metal, there’s no doubt in my mind, and although some people may have a hard time accepting that because you’re a Canadian band and Canada is never really looked at as an innovator of music, I still feel that you guys were…

RR: Yeah, but you know what? It is true. A lot of people would agree with what you just said, so it’s actually—you see, Canada is the only point of view that missed Anvil’s real legacy and where the music really meant something to the world. But in the real world? People recognize it and have all along. I’m just tellin ya’, that’s the reality. It’s Canadians that have missed the boat on Anvil all along, unfortunately, and it’s a shame because we come from here and they should be celebrating and embracing the greatness of this band and its contribution and legacy. I mean, this band has probably THE best drummer ever in metal rock, ever. It’s the truth and people outside the world would tell you that anyways. It’s a fact, it’s just too bad Canadians don’t know it. What else can I say? It’s all okay, I’m not bitter about anything and I’m still happy, it’s all beautiful. Canada will be the last domino to fall.

TP: Why do you say that?

RR: Well it always does, doesn’t it?

TP: Well Canada is really weird about our music. We have such great talent here in our own country…

RR: We should never play backseat to Americans, Canadians, ever. We have class, there’s lots of class up here man. There always has been ya’ know? And I can’t understand why the Canadians aren’t more proud and be able to go, “Yeah! They’re ours, they’re one of ours!” Anyways, who cares, it’s like I said, I don’t really live for that shit anyways, so it doesn’t matter.

TP: Do you think the movie, ANVIL! The Story Of Anvil, will do for metal and thrash metal, what Saturday Night Fever did for disco?

RR: It could, it could. It really could. We’ve been speculating about so much stuff, but who knows what this is gonna do? We’ll see. It’s opening the eyes—I mean, we’ve shown the world, what it’s really like to be in a band, not what you do, not have the money, but have all the love and here’s the shit that you’ve gotta go through, to be able to do what you love. And nobody’s ever done this before, like never, ever. There’s no template for what’s going on here, but we just have our story to tell about what we’ve been dealing with and we’re just showing the world that this is what we deal with and we still love to rock. I think it could open the doors to lots of stuff.

TP: Metal seems to be making a resurgence again, but for a while there, it was always in the background.

RR: Well there’s a lot of interest for it because it’s just how things go in cycles, ya know? I always knew that this time and place would happen for music, that music would be hip or cool again, as it were. It was only a matter of time and I knew it was coming on and I was serious because there’s a whole new generation of kids that wanna discover it. They got all ripped off anyway, there’s been no great music for years, especially in metal. So it’s only a matter of time before, like whoever it was, the really true, great, metal bands, that that style, that that sound or that need would come back, or let’s rediscover it or let’s get it back. That’s just what it is and it’s a great time. I’m personally loving it when I go see shows now, like when I go to see Motorhead or Black Sabbath, Judas Priest on the one bill, I mean, that’s just so cool, ya’ know? And when you’re at these shows, it’s not just older people there, there are lots of young people there now. The Anvil experience that we’ve been doing, which is they watch the movie and then the band comes out to play right there in the theatre live and it’s an amazing experience. And in those situations, there are people there that are like six years old to eighty and everything in-between. It’s been so surreal, they all engage and freak out. I’ve been calling it Beatle-metal-mania.

TP: Beatle-metal-mania, I love it! [laughing]

RR: [Laughs] You love it? Well that’s what I’m calling it man, because that’s what it’s kind of like, it’s like holy--people just fuckin freak out and they go, “Holy shit man, what is going on? You guys just came off the screen, we watched this beautiful movie and now they’re really here and they’re rocking!” It’s a real cool experience for the people, ya’ know? And nobody’s ever done this before either and it’s really catching on, it’s really catching on as we’re going along here with it.

TP: Let me ask you about the book as well Robbo—did you guys have a part in the writing of the book, or was this…

RR: Yeah yeah, we wrote the entire book, me and Lips wrote the whole book
The book is written in our words, it was a ghost writer, but we spent three weeks being interviewed for eight hours a day. We basically tried to remember the whole entire history, just go right back and remember it all as best we could and that’s what the book pretty much is. It goes right up to the Classic Rock Awards of last year, and that’s basically what the book goes up to.

TP: Was the book written prior to the movie or after?

RR: No no, the book came after the movie was made and had been playing for over a year and then Bantam Press/Transworld Publishers saw the movie somewhere and went fuckin crazy for it and they said, “Hey man, we love the movie, let’s make a book.” They came to us, it came after the fact.

TP: That’s great!

RR: Yeah and the book has more than the movie, the book is like the movie, but the book has far more—there’s more in the book, than the movie. When you see the movie, obviously you’ll love it, but you might have wondered, “Oh, what happened here and what happened there?” The book kind of fills that stuff in.

TP: Where can people buy the book?

RR: I think the book, at the moment, is only available online.

TP: Through Amazon and through Transworld Publishers?

RR: Yeah, and I know that people are buying them a lot, people are just eatin ‘em up and we’re getting comments on it. Aand people are saying that the fuckin movie is unbelievable, but the book’s better. It’s all good. There’s so much positive energy, what can I tell ya? [once again Robbo’s phone is ringing]

TP: Your phone is ringing again, it’s constantly ringing huh?

RR: Yeah, what can I say man, I don’t know…my sexatary isn’t here at the moment. [we both laugh]

TP: Well the band has some pretty big name fans as well, people like Michael Moore, Brad Pitt, Dave Byrne from the Talking Heads…

RR: Yeah well that list is getting—you should talk to Sacha, you should give Sacha an interview, he’d blow your mind with the list, it’s just growing. I mean, Ozzy Osbourne, he’s obsessed with the movie.

TP: Is he really?

RR: Oh he’s completely obsessed with it and loves it to pieces. Pearl Jam, Madonna, what was the other guy I just heard yesterday, I just heard his name, I forgot the guy’s name…geezus, just so many people. Well Michael Moore, he was unbelievable, he said he was a foot soldier in the rise of Anvil now.

TP: Is that right? Wow.

RR: He said it was a beautiful movie, just unbelievable, and the story needed to be told. See, I’m glad the story has been told and it’s needed to be told for a while. And because it’s been told, it’s really changed a lot of things, ya know and it’s good.

TP: Changed a lot of things for you personally, for the band?

RR: Yeah yeah, for the band. It’s changed a lot of things for the band.

TP: Well is there anything else you want to add?

RR: I could talk to you forever about this shit.

TP: So could I. We could talk about other things. Do you want to talk about the new album?

RR: Well the new album, all I can talk to you about is that it’s our fourteenth album. It’s called JUGGERNAUT OF JUSTICE and it just needs to be recorded, basically. We’re just trying to figure out where to record it, but it’s ready to go. And THIS IS THIRTEEN, which is our most recent album, that’s available for anybody to scoop up now. I wish everybody would. It’s an awesome album.

TP: And the new album, JUGGERNAUT OF JUSTICE, when do you think that might be released?

RR: Well we’ve got a soundtrack that we’re still trying to put together for the movie and it would come out next year, I would think, as an actual studio release, but we’d like to record it this year. It’s ready to go, I mean, completely ready to go. We’re completely ready man. We’re an active rockin band man, hard workin all the time.

TP: I would agree with that, you’re definitely a hard working band, never given up.

RR: No we’ve never given up, we live and breathe this and that’s all I know anyways. This is what I do. I know this, and I love it. You know what’s nice about it? It’s nice that people are beginning to know what all this is about, getting to know the story, getting turned on to the music. So many people are loving the music, that’s what’s really cool, too. The movie is introducing the people to the music and people who are not even metalheads are diggin’ it. That’s what’s so amazing about this.

TP: Well I would say the movie ANVIL! THE STORY OF ANVIL is the rock ‘n’ roll movie of the decade really. I mean, there was ALMOST FAMOUS, which is one of my favorite movies and this is right up there along those lines, because that movie was also based in part on truth and I loved that movie.

RR: Wait till you see this movie. I’m sure it will be your favorite movie, possibly of all time.

TP: Well I can’t wait for it to be made available in a DVD format, once it’s gone through the movie theatres.

RR: Oh yeah, that comes out later in the year with the DVD thing happening. It’s coming out on DVD in England on June 15th.

TP: Is it? When is it going to come out in North America?

RR: Over here I think they’re planning on…I can’t say for sure, I mean I could tell you, but don’t tell anybody because I could be giving you the wrong information. [Robbo tells me the possible release date for the DVD in North America]

TP: Well I’ll be buying it for sure.

RR: It’ll definitely be coming out on DVD. It could possibly run through the theatres a few times. We don’t know what’s going on, because there is so much unknown life to this. We’re still at the beginning stages of whatever’s to come. I can tell you it’s on VH1. They’ve already been running the trailer in America and VH1 Classic has picked up the whole movie and they’re going to be playing the movie on TV, and MTV will be distributing the DVD and it’s got all that exposure on TV there.

TP: How ironic that a 15 year old kid named Sacha, a die-hard fan of the band would, after 30 plus years later, would decide to make a movie about his favorite band, a band he loved. Did you ever think anything like that would be possible?

RR: As a life lesson, it was all meant to be. We had to go through the whole journey to get here, otherwise this story would have never gotten told and partly, I think he’s right you know? But the thing is, you just never know who you have to be nice to. See, I’m a nice person anyways and I’m very outgoing and certain people gravitate to me, and Sacha gravitated towards me and I could tell he was different, he was special, maybe that was a sign back when I was in my ‘20s then, of things to come, but how would I know?

TP: Well you wouldn’t, but to me, it’s just the most ironic story in itself, that this kid who is this die-hard fan becomes…

RR: Yeah and he goes to Hollywood and works with Steven Spielberg. He’s worked with Tom Hanks and he becomes very successful and then he looks up his old mates and goes, “Hey guys…” And he’s blown away by…you see, what blew him away was our story and thinking, “These guys are still as hungry as they were when I knew them over 25 years ago, nothing has changed with these guys.” When he came back to see that his old friends are still wanting to make it, commercially or whatever, in that sense, ya’ know? Get the global fuckin deal going. And it was his way—like I already said to Sacha, “Hey man, can I ever repay you for this? I’ll never be able to repay you for this.” And he says, “You already have. You repaid me 25 years ago when you said come out and hang out with me.” That’s what he said to me.

TP: Aww…there are just so many stories within the story huh?

RR: Yeah and it just keeps going. So I would never have thought it, to answer your question, of course I never would have thought it, but it’s a beautiful story. And the other thing too, a lot of people have asked us, “How could you guys trust someone to make a movie about you?” Because they could’ve done whatever they wanted with it right?

TP: Well yeah they could have, but…

RR: Yes that’s true, but in this case, the whole premise from the beginning was I trusted Sacha 100% with all of it. He looked at me right in the eyes and we looked at each other and he said, “My intention is to help you. That’s all I want to do is help you in any way I can. I love you and I wanna help you.” So I just said, “Well…” what more can I say to that? I trust the guy. He’s not gonna do us harm and he certainly has not, so you’re right. It’s unbelievable, this is a full miracle, not a half miracle, a full miracle. [laughs]

TP: All the stories within the story, of a fan of the band he loved, would one day write a movie about them. I’ve never heard of that happening before. It’s actually kind of mindblowing, to be honest.

RR: I know, and it’s made a great story. And it’s beautiful, man, and people are—it just goes to show ya how shit goes ya know? We’re all buddies. We’re like brothers now, all of us, ya know? Even with Sacha, we’re all older but we’re still like…men never grow up, they just grow old.

TP: [laughing] That’s great.

RR: You know what I mean?

TP: Yeah, that’s great. It’s a great analogy.

RR: And that’s what we’re realizing. It’s a lot of fun, man. We’re having a lot of fun with this. I’m enjoying the fact that everybody’s engaging the story, they’re respecting it unbelievably, and they just wanna help the band, and I think that’s a beautiful thing.

TP: And every bit of promoting you do, every little thing you do, just helps spread the word even farther.

RR: Yeah and I hope this thing you’re doing, I hope people will hear about it and however you spread it, then it’s all good with me, man.

TP: Well it can’t hurt. It’s certainly not going to hurt, right?

RR: No not at all. Nothing hurts, really. Press is press, ya know, but tell people about the band, the music, the movie, the book, the guys in the band, whatever. It’s all good, man. We’ve talked to Newsweek. They’re doing a big story on us on April 6th. I know that, GQ Magazine, Vanity Fair, I mean we’ve talked to everybody, Hello, Empire, you name it, we’ve talked to everybody. I mean, everybody… and there’s still more to come, I’m sure.

TP: In some ways I’m ashamed that Canadians didn’t embrace Anvil from the beginning, but in other ways I’m so extremely proud to say that Anvil IS Canadian and to be able to help spread the word. I’m a huge promoter of Canadian talent and music.

RR: Well you know what baby, spread the word of Anvil, spread the majesty of Anvil. Good stuff will happen to you because of it. What more can I say?

TP: Well Robbo, I really appreciated you taking the time with me today and I’ll be out to see you guys in a couple of weeks.

RR: Okay, right on sister T, looking forward to seeing you.